Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (giadoe) — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:07:01 GMT

blairboy wrote:

The surge is working? Iraq is peaceful? Um. Then why did (I think) 12 soldiers die the other day? And can we please not forget that we are also paying some people to not kill us. I wouldn't exactly call that smart planning on a Bushroot's end.

I said "relatively" peaceful, not peaceful. Stop twisting my word around

Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (blairboy) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:35:07 GMT

Are you sure that was me? that sounds like nothing I would say. Yes I want this war over and done with and it's a big deal breaker with people. But I've also said a billion times there ain't way you can just pull everyone out at once.

The genocide part yeah, I remember talking about that because I still don't know...

Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (giadoe) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:01:35 GMT

blairboy wrote:
Because I'm sure all of McCain's ideas are original.

And again, we're really gonna crack on someone for changing ideas? I can change a idea I had in a couple of hours. Let's see, April and July is a difference of 2-3 months. You're really going to tell me someone change between that? I just find it amusing that when a Democrat changes stance (regardless of what it is) people...

Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (blairboy) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:57:23 GMT

Because I'm sure all of McCain's ideas are original.

And again, we're really gonna crack on someone for changing ideas? I can change a idea I had in a couple of hours. Let's see, April and July is a difference of 2-3 months. You're really going to tell me someone change between that? I just find it amusing that when a Democrat changes stance (regardless of what it is) people freak out. But when a Republican does, it's different. Please. People need to take...

Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (giadoe) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:56:55 GMT

^ what has happened between April and yesterday that makes him finding a better route though? You do realize that his stances now are almost the same as McCain, except tax plan and gas drilling.

If he changes everything that he stood for in April to what he stands for now, then there will be no difference between democrat and republican, no? You pretty much vote for republican stances in the name of Democrat

Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (maddog) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:55:43 GMT

I didn't realize people were not allowed to change their plans if they find a better route. That goes for both people.

What if the better route he's considering is staying in Iraq for a number of years, would you still support that? I realize die-hard liberals won't jump ship, but single-minded anti-war supporters might; since the primary against Clinton came down to...

Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (blairboy) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:28:54 GMT

I didn't realize people were not allowed to change their plans if they find a better route. That goes for both people.

Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (giadoe) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:30:42 GMT

When McCain said "we should evaluate situation on the ground"
You said McBush

When Obama said "we should evaluate situation on the ground"
you said What a great leader and a sign of maturity

I see now

Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (LauritaK) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:22:52 GMT

Artful Flip-Flopping

04 Jul 2008 01:55 pm

Jaime Sneider counters me:

Andrew Sullivan says, "Sometimes a flip-flop is a sign of real maturity in a politician responding to new events or facts."...

Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (giadoe) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:01:13 GMT

^ Laurita, go to www.barrackobama.com on Iraq, there is a timetable there and it's listed there.

So are you saying that Obama's stance all along has been the same with Hillary & McCain? gasp....then what was the fuzz about this "no timetable no funding" rhetorics in the primary? the 16 months withdrawal has been the backbone of his campaign....maybe people have short term memory loss and just like typical lawyer, there is always a fine print for every stance he...

Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (LauritaK) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:55:55 GMT

Thu Jul 3, 5:25 PM Pacific

The question is how, not whether, we withdraw

Update @ 5:20PM: Here's video of Barack Obama affirming his commitment to Iraq withdrawal.

Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (LauritaK) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:53:31 GMT

Open Thread

By: John Cole July 3, 2008 at 4:23 pm

Blazermaniac wrote:

Wow - didn't see that coming. Oh, wait, yes I did and have been telling my liberal friends he was going to back off that pledge as soon as he beat Hillary. He's not change at all, just a typical pandering politician with no experience.

I agree especially with the part I bolded.

Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (giadoe) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:45:44 GMT

hmmm...so you are saying that his other stance or "answer" is similar to McCain who says that troops withdrawal will be depending on the safety and ground reports and hence no timetable? That's what Hillary had been saying too and she was attacked and lost votes because Obama set the timetables, will not support anything without timetables, and is more perceived with anti-war stance with his 16 months 1 troop a day timetable.

Here is Obama Stances about timetables:...

Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (Blazermaniac) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:27:44 GMT

Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (LookAtMelmAStupidTeeny) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:42:41 GMT

I remember the "as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless going in" comment, so this isn't really a new stance. He's just had two different answers all along. Maybe he finally picked one.

Re: Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (giadoe) — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:27:30 GMT

you beat me to it! We already see this coming from ages ago and there is no freaking way he would stay true to that 1 troop a day (plus, it sucks to be the soldiers who would be left behind and put into vulnerable position).

I knew he's going to change his mind and use his upcoming trip to Iraq as an excuse

Obama...

Obama rewrites Iraq plan

feeds@yuku.com (maddog) — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:15:45 GMT

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) promised primary voters a swift withdrawal from Iraq, in clear language still on his website: "Obama will immediately begin to remove our...