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SwtAngel961		#41	[-]
Posts: 17773 (04/24/2008 9:56 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	itsmejustin wrote: LisaChasez wrote: What is she going to school for? And frankly, most employers don't give a rats ass about a job at American Eagle or Starbucks Not true. I do alot of hiring in my job, and we definitely do look at those jobs. Obviously not because making coffee is relevant to the job but because it's still considered job history. No matter where it was you worked, the length of time you worked there and your reason for leaving do factor in on your application. If someone worked at Starbucks for a month and got fired for not showing up half the time, and it was their most recent job, we're probably not going to hire them because that shows us that they won't be reliable.
EuroMAFan		#42	[-]
Posts: 1806 (04/24/2008 10:02 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	To me, a job does not define a life. She sounds like she's got some pretty amazing experiences under her belt. If she has trouble finding a job when she's ready to work, so be it, but that'll be for her to deal with, so I can't really find myself caring too much about what she's doing right now. Not really. I mean, I've been everywhere she has and more, and have gained work experience as well. I've studied abroad, and partied and have had fun, but I thought it was important to get some work experience while overseas as well. She almost certainly WILL have a hard time finding a job and I feel bad for her. She really has no idea. She thinks a degree replaces work experience and it just isn't true. There's so much competition, you need every edge you can get these days. That means a degree, AND work experience, AND volunteering AND internships, not just one of them. She didn't even study abroad and she did a language degree - that looks bad on a resume. You make it sound like she spends a lot of time volunteering. Volunteering is work. It is just work that you are not getting paid for. I doubt that future employers care if you got (or needed) a paycheck or not as long as you have been productive, working and learning skills to do a job. If she has a pretty extensive resume concerning her volunteer work (with skills and experience), a great attitiude, excellent "work" references from her volunteer "jobs" and a degree I am sure that she can land a job. Yeah, I used to think that until I tried to get hired. Volunteering just isn't the same as real work. How can anyone really criticize you when you're working for free and doing something good? It's nothing like a real job. The dynamic is totally different.
Tristessie		#43	[-]
Posts: 6148 (04/24/2008 10:10 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	She's fine, she will get hired if she's qualified. You don't NEED work experience from random places that have nothing to do with your degree to get hired. Granted most people do have it since they need the money, but she obviously doesn't and it doesn't mean she won't get hired ever. She might have a harder time at a job though, since she's never experienced it but then again maybe she won't. This doesn't sound so bad, for a second I thought she never had a job AND just sat at home picking her nose or something
jc4me18		#44	[-]
Posts: 11830 (04/24/2008 10:17 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	I can't imagine not working ever by that age. I am 24 as well and I got my first part time job when I was 15. My parents helped me with some things, but they wanted me to be able to afford stuff for myself too (clothes, car insurance, phone bills, etc). It's teaching the kid responsibility. I agree that just a degree isn't always useful, although sometimes just work experience and no degree screws you too. It's hard to find a good job, but if you have a combo of both I think it is much more beneficial to you..especially at the job. She might be able to find a job, but it will most likely be a sucky/low paying job. Usually recruiters will base salary on experience (or a combo of experience/education). I have my Bachelor's in Business, worked a part time job for 6 and 1/2 yrs, did 3 internships and the place I work for now hired me at 12 bucks an hr (receptionist). I had a short term full time job before this and I was making 11/hr (). I couldn't do much else b/c I did not have the administrative experience. But 12/hr with a BPS isn't exactly thrilling. I have since been given a raise to $15/hr, but even still it's like . So clearly my degree hasn't helped me get too far yet! I would say the more work experiece you have the better.
EuroMAFan		#45	[-]
Posts: 1807 (04/24/2008 10:18 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Perhaps if she were in med school, yeah, the degree would be fine and she could walk into a job. But she did an Arts degree and will be looking for office/admin work until she goes back to school for social work. You need experience for that if you want a salary more than the minimum wage.
Semirhage626		#46	[-]
Posts: 4320 (04/24/2008 10:18 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Umm, employers -- especially in Social Work -- absolutely WILL consider travel and volunteering in other countries as experience. They don't care if you've been paid, they only care that you were active during your times off from school, and what she has done sounds not only active, but admirable.
Sweet Caramels		#47	[-]
Posts: 5002 (04/24/2008 10:19 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Skiddz82 wrote: About half of my friends have never worked a day in their lives. And they never will. I'd like to think that if I were in their position, I would work, anyway, despite the exorbitant wealth... but I probably wouldn't. are your friends male or female? and how do they spend their days?
EuroMAFan		#48	[-]
Posts: 1808 (04/24/2008 10:24 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Umm, employers -- especially in Social Work -- absolutely WILL consider travel and volunteering in other countries as experience. They don't care if you've been paid, they only care that you were active during your times off from school, and what she has done sounds not only active, but admirable. Yeah, that's IF she decides to go into social work. Don't you think she's severely cut down her options? And as I said, she thinks she can work for a few years first in some random job with no experience.
ashaali		#49	[-]
Posts: 2759 (04/24/2008 10:24 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Semirhage626 wrote: Umm, employers -- especially in Social Work -- absolutely WILL consider travel and volunteering in other countries as experience. They don't care if you've been paid, they only care that you were active during your times off from school, and what she has done sounds not only active, but admirable. Exactly and the fact she speaks several languages is also helping her.
Worn Souls		#50	[-]
Posts: 2792 (04/24/2008 10:26 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Well it doesn't affect your life so I don't see why you're so riled up about it, it's not like you're going to be supporting her financially if she can't find employment.
Sweet Caramels		#51	[-]
Posts: 5003 (04/24/2008 10:33 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Skiddz82 wrote: Sweet Caramels wrote: Skiddz82 wrote: About half of my friends have never worked a day in their lives. And they never will. I'd like to think that if I were in their position, I would work, anyway, despite the exorbitant wealth... but I probably wouldn't. are your friends male or female? and how do they spend their days? Female. Shopping, going out to eat, traveling, volunteering, fundraisers... they aren't bored. Come to think of it... my dad didn't start working until he was about 25. He graduated from college, traveled for a few years, took a year off, and THEN started work. If you can afford to do that and enjoy it, I don't see anything wrong with it. Did he start working in a family business?
Semirhage626		#52	[-]
Posts: 4321 (04/24/2008 10:33 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	EuroMAFan wrote: Umm, employers -- especially in Social Work -- absolutely WILL consider travel and volunteering in other countries as experience. They don't care if you've been paid, they only care that you were active during your times off from school, and what she has done sounds not only active, but admirable. Yeah, that's IF she decides to go into social work. Don't you think she's severely cut down her options? And as I said, she thinks she can work for a few years first in some random job with no experience. It may limit her options, but it's a tradeoff I'd take for the travel and life experience she's had. And it doesn't sound like money is much of an issue for her, so if she has to start out a rung or two lower on the job ladder and accept less money than she would have otherwise, so what?
Sweet Caramels		#53	[-]
Posts: 5004 (04/24/2008 10:33 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Worn Souls wrote: Well it doesn't affect your life so I don't see why you're so riled up about it, it's not like you're going to be supporting her financially if she can't find employment. that's why it comes across as jealousy to me
Worn Souls		#54	[-]
Posts: 2793 (04/24/2008 10:40 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	ITA with you Sweet Caramels. That's how it appears to me too.
EuroMAFan		#55	[-]
Posts: 1809 (04/24/2008 10:44 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	I just feel bad for her because she's in for a huge shock. I think she's starting to realise that she can't just walk into any job because she has a degree. Employers are like, who cares? Person X has a degree AND tons of experience. And the languages don't really make any difference for most jobs. I think she's just totally in denial about how hard it is to get a job. I'm 22, I've studied abroad, I've worked abroad, I've worked here, I've volunteered at home and overseas, and I have a degree. I find it hard to get decent jobs with decent pay, so imagine what it would be like for her? She's not a Paris Hilton, she will be expected to support herself in a year or so, and I just think her parents have made it difficult for her by being too easy on her. It may limit her options, but it's a tradeoff I'd take for the travel and life experience she's had. But you can have both! I've had both, most people I know have had both. You don't have to choose between work and experiences. And like I said, I think working overseas is far more character building (yes I hate that word too) and eye opening than just touring around the whole time. I think she's missed out on those experiences. Why on earth would I be jealous? I'm employable because of my experience, and will be going to school for a Master's in my field. I've had some great experiences working in other countries, as well as just travelling and having fun. I would HATE to be in my friend's position of being 24 and never having had a job. Edited By: EuroMAFan 04/24/2008 10:47 AM. Edited 1 times.
Semirhage626		#56	[-]
Posts: 4322 (04/24/2008 10:47 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	If you say so. I just don't see that it's such a big deal. I had many friends in similar situations in college and they had no problems (or at least no more than everyone else) finding a job. My sister spends her summers volunteering with religious organizations in other countries, it has helped her in her job hunt. I think you are making a bigger deal out of this than is necessary. I guess by your name in you are in Europe? Maybe it's a bigger deal over there. I don't see that being a huge problem in the states. IME, most employers want to see that you stayed busy, they don't care if you did that with a paycheck or by volunteering.
EuroMAFan		#57	[-]
Posts: 1810 (04/24/2008 10:53 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Yes, I am, maybe the situation is different here. But when I started working, every employer and recruitor made it clear that work experience and references were nearly more important than my degree. I mean, it's different if you degree leads you directly down a job path like medicine or engineering, but if you're looking for a general job with a general degree, they want much more than the piece of paper. And even if she were looking for a language job, she didn't even spend a year studying abroad, so that puts her behind the billion people with language degrees who did.
ashaali		#58	[-]
Posts: 2760 (04/24/2008 10:59 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	Skiddz82 wrote: Sweet Caramels wrote: Skiddz82 wrote: About half of my friends have never worked a day in their lives. And they never will. I'd like to think that if I were in their position, I would work, anyway, despite the exorbitant wealth... but I probably wouldn't. are your friends male or female? and how do they spend their days? Female. Shopping, going out to eat, traveling, volunteering, fundraisers... they aren't bored. Come to think of it... my dad didn't start working until he was about 25. He graduated from college, traveled for a few years, took a year off, and THEN started work. Fuck, I am jealous. If money was not an issue. I would be doing that too.
nicksdolphin		#59	[-]
Posts: 17797 (04/24/2008 2:07 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	I had my first "real" job like a week after I turned 22. I don't think jobs like target & McDonalds would have changed my job prospects. I just wish I would have started working at the bank or interned earlier because it looks great on your resume because you're essentially responsible for $20,000 a day and private financial info. That says a lot about you. I also traveled and studied abroad in the summers. That it itself is an experience that most people will never know and understand. The ability to be thrown into a country where you don't speak their language, can't read the signs, and general everyday things are different is a HUGE indicator of your ability to adapt to change and differences in people. If you've never experienced it you have no idea just how different everything is.
XOctoberMoonX		#60	[-]
Posts: 2170 (04/24/2008 2:13 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts Message Friend Block Invite Ignore	tackyblueeyeshadow wrote: I don't think it's a big deal since she's in school. I agree. My dad didn't WANT me to have a job when I was in school because he wanted me to focus on getting good grades and finishing. I only recently got my second real job at 24 because I am done with school. If she wasn't in school and was just taking advantage of her parents, it might be different. And seriously, it's her life. If I was in her position I'd be doing the same thing. Just because you did it all and worked too is great and all, but not everyone is you. She'll be fine. Edited By: XOctoberMoonX 04/24/2008 2:22 PM. Edited 1 times.

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