I agree with Lisa about the polygamy thing. I personally think it's kind of weird and could NEVER be in a polygamous relationship, but as long as
they're all adults and make the decision for themselves, who cares?
Why do people care so much about gay marriage?
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Posts: 37647 (10/21/2008 10:11 AM) Friendliest JJBer '07 |
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Posts: 101029 (02/09/1941 3:25 PM) JC Fanatic '03
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femme0622 |
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Posts: 274 (10/21/2008 10:13 AM) |
I'm not saying that a person who divorces immediately needs assistance; at the same time, I'm divorced and am having to work with Office of Child
Support to nail my ex husband into the ground for not supporting his child. I make more than enough money to not be on TANF or government assistance, but what
about those who don't? My example was meant (and could have been better worded) for those women. I am paying for OCSE to do their job and it is a state
funded program (ie. Tax Funded)
As to the legal definition of marriage, if that were the case, we wouldn't be having this debate. It wouldn't be up for discussion. As for my personal disagreements with polygamy, I don't like it. It's not something I have to justify. I feel I've made my point about my observation about the re-definition of the institution of marriage, but don't intend to wander this into a separate debate. |
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Posts: 8856 (10/21/2008 10:14 AM) |
femme0622 wrote: This makes no sense, at all. Straight couples with kids get divorced every day. How does that cost you, or any other taxpayer, money? Family court decides who pays child support, alimony, etc. It would be exactly the same. Gay people and divorced people pay taxes, too. Gay marriage wouldn't cost you one red cent. 
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Posts: 275 (10/21/2008 10:15 AM) |
^^ see above
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the lakes slave |
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Posts: 57290 (10/21/2008 10:17 AM) |
So you're talking about women who get divorced and then need government assistance? How does that have ANYTHING to do whatsoever with gay marriage?
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the lakes slave |
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Posts: 57291 (10/21/2008 10:17 AM) |
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femme0622 |
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Posts: 276 (10/21/2008 10:19 AM) |
In that portion of my response, I was talking about my personal reasons for not agreeing with polygamy. To my mind (and I could be wrong, it happens), the
re-definition of marriage is a slippery slope. I don't oppose gay marriage but I'm not voting for it either. You do what you do as long as I don't
have to pay for it. The "slippery slope" example I gave was legalizing bigamy (because it's a personal choice law) and I pointed out possible
consequences. Lisa pointed out that as long as kids weren't involved, why did it matter. Hence my response.
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the lakes slave |
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Posts: 57293 (10/21/2008 10:22 AM) |
Oh, of course there are consequences. But you cross that bridge and deal with the legal matters when/if that becomes an issue. But for now, marriage is between
TWO people. It shouldn't matter what the gender of those two people are.
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Posts: 5325 (10/21/2008 10:22 AM) |
femme0622 wrote:It is the case -- marriage is currently defined as a legal contract between two persons. Some states have gone further and defined those two persons as a "man and a woman" -- changing the definition of who those persons can be, however - in NO WAY would set a precedent for making it a contract between 3 or more people. Your polygamy slippery slope argument is flawed. |
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LisaChasez |
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Posts: 101030 (10/21/2008 10:22 AM) JC Fanatic '03
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so you should be against divorce completely
 As for you paying for it, sounds like you're the one GETTING. No paying involved.
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femme0622 |
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Posts: 280 (10/21/2008 10:24 AM) |
I'm not the kind of person that thinks only of the immediate ramifications of a decision; I try to think ahead as well. True, it's not always worth not
making a decision because of what could happen in the future, but it's something to think about. Just like I won't vote for gay marriage, I won't
vote against it either. To me, it isn't that black and white.
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femme0622 |
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Posts: 281 (10/21/2008 10:25 AM) |
Lisa, I'm not getting the child support. I do however, pay state taxes. Therefore, I'm not getting and unfortunately (being a law-abiding citizen), I
am paying for them to do their job.
As for being against divorce, I am personally. I was divorced; it wasn't originated on my end. Of course, I have to thank the bastard on that one, he did me a favor in the long run. |
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the lakes slave |
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Posts: 57294 (10/21/2008 10:27 AM) |
I'm sure people "thought ahead" to the slippery slope interracial marriage would cause as well.
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femme0622 |
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Posts: 282 (10/21/2008 10:30 AM) |
Forgive me for having an opinion; I'm not mandating that you agree with me. Just stating my personal opinion.
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foto87 |
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Posts: 6127 (10/21/2008 10:32 AM) |
I think the world should slow down and take a break
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Semirhage626 |
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Posts: 5326 (10/21/2008 10:36 AM) |
femme0622 wrote:I am also the kind of person who considers the long term ramifications of a decision -- but I do so using facts and reality as a basis for deciding what those ramifications may be. There is no logical reason whatsoever to assume that gay marriage would have the types of ramifications you describe. The slippery slope you claim to fear is the exact same one used to deny interracial marriages. Sorry, but it's bigoted to deny rights to one group while granting them to another, and that is what attempts to restrict marriage do. femme0622 wrote:Of course you are just stating an opinion - when you do so on a message board, you invite people to state their opinion of your opinion, which is what we are doing. |
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femme0622 |
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Posts: 284 (10/21/2008 10:38 AM) |
Fair enough.
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Posts: 70640 (10/21/2008 10:49 AM) JJB Debater '03 |
Bigamy should be legal, IMO. At least in Colorado and Utah, where it's most common. There'd be way fewer people on the dole if bigamy were legal,
because you wouldn't have so many "single moms" running around, getting welfare because their husbands can only be legally married to one woman.
I'm sure I don't pay much for them since I don't live in the state, but they ARE getting some federal dollars (Medicaid, for instance), so I'm
paying for it.
As for what if Bobby and Susie just get married for benefits? Already legal and happening. Green card marriage, anyone? |
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Posts: 8858 (10/21/2008 10:54 AM) |
^^ The only issue I have with bigamy/polygamy, is because of those crazy fundies that make 12 and 13 year old girls marry old geezers, then basically treat
them like baby machines/house slaves.
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