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TiiNyDAnCER xX		#241	[-]
Posts: 2690 (10/22/2008 3:43 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	heart affair wrote: TiiNyDAnCER xX wrote: heart affair wrote: helen4rent wrote: heart affair wrote: helen4rent wrote: I'm sorry but I can't respect anyone who would want to oppose equality, especially something as harmless as marriage. If atheists can 'marry,' why not homosexuals? Man and woman...heh...it's those same man and woman in the %50 bracket of divorces that's ruining the sanctity of marriage. I don't know if your specifically referring to me, but I actually agree with you. I've never claimed to be against social equality. Then don't vote Yes on 8. You can also leave the ballot blank, which is a simpler solution (if your state allows you) (wtf am I talking about, this is California.) Sorry, but have you read all my posts? And I don't think the fact that I don't judge people on the way they live and treat them the same no matter our differences makes me against social equality. ... I'm sorry, but that made me laugh out loud. If you aren't judging people, what are you basing your refusal to not support same-sex marriages on? Your so-called refusal to judge should warrant you to be indifferent to who gets married to whom, I'd argue. What is so hard to understand that my view of people does not change dependent on their sexual preference? You know "to judge", from a conclusion about or opinion of? My conclusions and opinions have nothing to do with them. I just don't agree with something they partake in. It's hard to understand because it doesn't make any kind of sense -- Are you saying that you'll support gay marriages then, as long as those couples don't partake in "homosexual acts"? What the ef does that even mean? And I understand the definition of the words judge, and judgment, which is why I am laughing at you.
TYCP Sha		#242	[-]
Posts: 93676 (10/22/2008 3:44 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	iRaadius wrote: ^^^ @ that pic I don't know, I was just brought up and taught a man should be with a women and not man should be with a man or women with a women (as long as both women are cute). It's just look down upon and I can't agree with it, it's your life though. I was brought up the same way, but here's the wonderful thing: when you finally become an adult, you're actually able to make your own decisions...
heart affair		#243	[-]
Posts: 1476 (10/22/2008 3:44 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I can't break down sentences for you so, I'll try again. You've spent your time attacking someone and telling her she does not have a right to an opinion because her views are total crap. You are not accepting the fact that she can have a view on an action that is separate from the person doing the action. There actually are people who are trying to take away rights from gays and actively participate in discrimination against them. Your insults and manipulations to make them look wrong would be better targeted to those people (i.e. not me). Class in the morning... good luck.
mEEEEchelle		#244	[-]
Posts: 3400 (10/22/2008 3:49 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	You see, that was English. Too bad you're now shoving words in my mouth. Sigh. We'll get there... Good talk.
Amelia Bedelia		#245	[-]
Posts: 774 (10/22/2008 3:49 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	TYCP Sha wrote: iRaadius wrote: ^^^ @ that pic I don't know, I was just brought up and taught a man should be with a women and not man should be with a man or women with a women (as long as both women are cute). It's just look down upon and I can't agree with it, it's your life though. I was brought up the same way, but here's the wonderful thing: when you finally become an adult, you're actually able to make your own decisions... That whole shit made no sense anyway. As long as both women are cute? How the fuck are you gonna lay down guidelines for a relationship you think should not even happen?
TiiNyDAnCER xX		#246	[-]
Posts: 2692 (10/22/2008 3:57 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Amelia Bedelia wrote: That whole shit made no sense anyway. As long as both women are cute? How the fuck are you gonna lay down guidelines for a relationship you think should not even happen? RIGHT? -- People are all kinds of foolish.
heart affair		#247	[-]
Posts: 1477 (10/22/2008 4:04 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	mEEEEchelle wrote: You see, that was English. Too bad you're now shoving words in my mouth. Sigh. We'll get there... Good talk. I had to log back in to respond to a PM I had forgotten about, and I saw this. Didn't mean to put words in your mouth (guess that wasn't you who said those exact things), but I remember being rather insulted by you and being told that I have an opposition to a certain classification of people. Anyway, I didn't feel like breaking down that sentence, because yeah, it was poor (running without 2 nights of sleep will do that), but I'm glad you understand now. The sad thing is that we won't get there, judging by the circular path we've been following for hours. But, yeah, pretty much, those are our views - take them or leave them. I do see where you're coming from, but I know how I feel, and I should be the one to say it. If I don't have any negative feelings towards a person, I shouldn't be told that I do. I don't want to be represented in that way because I'm not a disrespectful person. That was longer that I intended, and I hope I didn't bring up anything new, but OK for real. Sleep time.
harmnybunny		#248	[-]
Posts: 14113 (10/22/2008 4:23 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	And before you say that homosexuality is a choice, turn your attention to the endless mound of neuroscience research being performed that gives you plenty of evidence that it is not. That's what it is - research, not evidence. There is not one solid evidence that has shown a biological/genetic basis in homosexuality. I actually believe it's a mix of nature or nurture, but don't throw around words like "plenty of evidence."
beklah324		#249	[-]
Posts: 19433 (10/22/2008 4:27 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Are you straight by choice? or because you were born straight? Personally, I think I was born straight. I don't choose to be attracted to men, I just am. So therefore, I think people are born gay. The evidence should be PEOPLE SAYING THAT THEY HAVE KNOWN THEY WERE GAY ALL THEIR LIFE! That is evidence enough to say "hmmm okay I get it"
TiiNyDAnCER xX		#250	[-]
Posts: 2695 (10/22/2008 4:33 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	harmnybunny wrote: And before you say that homosexuality is a choice, turn your attention to the endless mound of neuroscience research being performed that gives you plenty of evidence that it is not. That's what it is - research, not evidence. There is not one solid evidence that has shown a biological/genetic basis in homosexuality. I actually believe it's a mix of nature or nurture, but don't throw around words like "plenty of evidence." Um, I don't believe I'm throwing around words, based off of the fact that I have actually read the studies, and conversed with people doing them. The research provides the evidence to support the claim. That's generally how science works. Are you straight by choice? or because you were born straight? Personally, I think I was born straight. I don't choose to be attracted to men, I just am. So therefore, I think people are born gay. The evidence should be PEOPLE SAYING THAT THEY HAVE KNOWN THEY WERE GAY ALL THEIR LIFE! That is evidence enough to say "hmmm okay I get it" Thank you. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
Shayme		#251	[-]
Posts: 53773 (10/22/2008 5:20 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	beklah324 wrote: Are you straight by choice? or because you were born straight? Personally, I think I was born straight. I don't choose to be attracted to men, I just am. So therefore, I think people are born gay. The evidence should be PEOPLE SAYING THAT THEY HAVE KNOWN THEY WERE GAY ALL THEIR LIFE! That is evidence enough to say "hmmm okay I get it" You rock! Damn, this post is huge!
August86		#252	[-]
Posts: 5458 (10/22/2008 6:02 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	There actually are people who are trying to take away rights from gays and actively participate in discrimination against them. Your insults and manipulations to make them look wrong would be better targeted to those people (i.e. not me) Well this comment certainly makes you sound like one of those people. I'd probably vote ban it because I consider the laws I live by to be in the Bible, and I would feel like I needed to vote accordingly.
LostYoMind		#253	[-]
Posts: 6156 (10/22/2008 6:54 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I would like there to be a vote on whether or not we should ban churches and religious institutions from America. I don't care if it passes. I just want these judgmental assholes who hide behind a book so they don't have to think for themselves to feel what it's like when one of the rights that should come as a given in a "free" country is voted on and decided by people who have no right to dictate what can and can't happen in their own lives.
NorthernDownpour		#254	[-]
Posts: 45 (10/22/2008 8:53 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Terrific. I'd vote for it.
gaydolf titler		#255	[-]
Posts: 1130 (10/22/2008 9:15 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	prop 8 makes me sick, i wish i lived in california so i could vote against it. for the life of me, i just cannot understand how anyone could vote for it. i would never be able to live with myself knowing i'm discriminating against people who are no different than me except when it comes to who they love. i just could never believe that its my right to tell people "i don't agree with that so i'm going to do everything i can to make sure you can't do it.." i don't respect ANYONE who votes yes on prop 8. period. if you can't respect others why do you deserve to be respected?
coboardgirl		#256	[-]
Posts: 6297 (10/22/2008 9:59 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I believe IN ALL CASES that there should be as few laws as possible that restrict the liberties and free will of people. If you don't like something, don't do it, but don't let your personal beliefs restrict the freedom or take the rightfully earned property of others. PERIOD.
femme0622		#257	[-]
Posts: 299 (10/22/2008 10:02 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I came out to my friend today; He told me heterosexuality is nothing to be ashamed of and he'd forgive me eventually
harmnybunny		#258	[-]
Posts: 14114 (10/22/2008 1:32 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	TiiNyDAnCER xX wrote: harmnybunny wrote: And before you say that homosexuality is a choice, turn your attention to the endless mound of neuroscience research being performed that gives you plenty of evidence that it is not. That's what it is - research, not evidence. There is not one solid evidence that has shown a biological/genetic basis in homosexuality. I actually believe it's a mix of nature or nurture, but don't throw around words like "plenty of evidence." Um, I don't believe I'm throwing around words, based off of the fact that I have actually read the studies, and conversed with people doing them. The research provides the evidence to support the claim. That's generally how science works. Um, I know how science works. I come from a science oriented family, thanks. I'm aware there's tons of research going to find a genetic basis in homosexuality. I've read some studies, but none of them have been "confirmed" since repetition of tests by other scientists show no strong corroboration. If there were evidence already, the debate would've been settled.
ashtash24		#259	[-]
Posts: 3073 (10/22/2008 2:08 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	For all the people who are against gay marriage, if the couple marrying is not your family or friend, what does it matter to you who they marry? P.S.--Don't deny Lance the opportunity to marry if he wants to one day. :-) Edited By: ashtash24 10/22/2008 2:13 PM. Edited 1 times.
saz632		#260	[-]
Posts: 7315 (10/22/2008 2:38 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I have an idea. Leave me and my partner alone (regardless of our genders), and I will leave you and all of your partners alone, and we'll only interfere when someone gets hurt, k? Good plan! What really bugs me is that the basis of a democratic society is majority rule, minority rights. Because gays are a minority, it should not be a majority decision. This decision should be made by the courts, not the people.

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