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dedaman03		#341	[-]
Posts: 6302 (07/31/2009 4:28 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	^Hurting someone accidentally or intentionally never really matters to the person who is getting hurt though. They don't care whether you did it intentionally or not, they're still going to be angry and hurt. What Sharon is doing by keeping the true paternity from Nick is no better than what Chloe did to Cane and Billy. Their both equally wrong and selfish, no matter what spin they put on it. It's like if two people go out and kill someone but one goes in with the intent to kill and the other kills the person by accident. Both those families are going to want revenge no matter how the killings went down. See, what makes me mad is that if Phyllis had done this she would have been raked through the coals, but since Sharon did it, it's an act of selflessness. I call bull, she may feel sorry for Summer, but what she is doing is going to destroy many lives which is what Phyllis is always being accused of doing. So I call a spade a spade.
BellaK84		#342	[-]
Posts: 65 (07/31/2009 8:45 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	^Agree! And even if she was trying to look out for Summer's well-being...how about saying the test was inconclusive or that you'd rather wait until the baby was born? Wait, Daniel's not Danny's kid? Who's kid is he? And what's this whole back story with Victor/Jabot? Why was Ashley fired and how is he behind it all? When did Phyllis trash Sharon's room? I definitely don't condone what Phyllis has done in her past but, compared to Sharon NOW, I prefer Phyllis. If Sharon were any where near as concerned for her kids as Phyllis is for Summer/Daniel...hell, even Noah, then she would know better than to just rush back into Nick's arms, expecting the world to be ok with it. Like it was mentioned, it's selfish to play with people's lives, whether you feel its justified or not. If/Until Summer is shown to be someone else's then, I stand by my "Sharon's a hoarrrrrrr" stance at this point. Oh and did Phyllis make out with her FIL? SICK!
franknbeans82		#343	[-]
Posts: 31620 (08/01/2009 11:35 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	BellaK84 wrote: ^Agree! And even if she was trying to look out for Summer's well-being...how about saying the test was inconclusive or that you'd rather wait until the baby was born? Wait, Daniel's not Danny's kid? Who's kid is he? And what's this whole back story with Victor/Jabot? Why was Ashley fired and how is he behind it all? When did Phyllis trash Sharon's room? I definitely don't condone what Phyllis has done in her past but, compared to Sharon NOW, I prefer Phyllis. If Sharon were any where near as concerned for her kids as Phyllis is for Summer/Daniel...hell, even Noah, then she would know better than to just rush back into Nick's arms, expecting the world to be ok with it. Like it was mentioned, it's selfish to play with people's lives, whether you feel its justified or not. If/Until Summer is shown to be someone else's then, I stand by my "Sharon's a hoarrrrrrr" stance at this point. Oh and did Phyllis make out with her FIL? SICK! phyllis has done all kinds of sick, twisted, fucked up shit over the yrs, lol. it's only after she got w/ nick that she calmed down somewhat, but she is still a conniving bitch, lol. it was just a month or so ago that she trashed sharon's room. not that it's entirely her fault, but it was phyllis' scheming and manipulating that ultimately put brad in the position that lead to his death. i remember last yr when she tried to ruin her own son's relationship, despite the fact that he was happy in it. we also can't forget that the very reason phyllis is w/ nick is b/c she had an affair w/ him while he was still married to sharon. i do not feel sorry for her one little bit now that she's gotten a dose of her own medicine. phyllis also had multiple candidates for the paternity of summer. i still suspect summer may be jacks. anyhow, if sharon is a ho, then phyllis most definitely is, too, lol. i just don't get why anyone acts like phyllis is a saint, esp if they've watched her over the yrs.
BellaK84		#344	[-]
Posts: 66 (08/01/2009 11:41 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I did mention that I haven't been watching consistently until now, but from what I've seen, I like her. I would appreciate back stories on the things that I've missed, but I'm not changing my stance. I don't know anything about her trashing Sharon's room or causing Brad. I also said I didn't think she was a saint. Its also a tv show that we discuss. If you feel you need to bash or get up in arms about a discussion, then that's on you. Either provide insight/back stories or simply add your piece but I stand by my decision. shrugs
franknbeans82		#345	[-]
Posts: 31621 (08/01/2009 11:49 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	RKKanhai wrote: franknbeans82 wrote: i think i must be the only one who prefers sharon to phyllis. i've always hated phyllis, though. it's always odd to me that sharon catches so much flack (not saying she doesn't deserve it sometimes), but then people seem to adore phyllis and feel sympathetic towards her eventhough she's done the same or worse than sharon. the one thing i will say for sharon, though is that i wish she'd get a backbone and stop backing down and stepping aside for phyllis. I can't stand her, she's a lunatic. Just recently her trashing Sharon's room and calling the cops on her. I remember back when she ran Christine down with her car. She let Daniel think Danny was his dad just to try and hold onto Danny. Sharon's never been one to hurt anyone on purpose like Phyllis does. She goes out to hurt people. Which is why I don't feel sympathy for her, but Sharon I do. i agree w/ this. i think sharon's biggest problem is that she is impulsive. i think that generally she is well-meaning in her actions, but she doesn't think them all the way through and doesn't realize all of the consequences. she makes some stupid decisions, but i don't think the intentions behind them are usually hateful or selfish. the most selfish thing she's done lately was having an affair w/ nick, which shows a lack of consideration towards phyllis. then again, it's not like phyllis has ever shown her an ounce of consideration, esp not when nick was married to sharon, lol. anyhow, it seems like phyllis and sharon can do the exact same things, but sharon catches a lot more crap for it. Edited By: franknbeans82 08/02/2009 12:02 AM. Edited 2 times.
franknbeans82		#346	[-]
Posts: 31622 (08/01/2009 11:50 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	BellaK84 wrote: I did mention that I haven't been watching consistently until now, but from what I've seen, I like her. I would appreciate back stories on the things that I've missed, but I'm not changing my stance. I don't know anything about her trashing Sharon's room or causing Brad. I also said I didn't think she was a saint. Its also a tv show that we discuss. If you feel you need to bash or get up in arms about a discussion, then that's on you. Either provide insight/back stories or simply add your piece but I stand by my decision. shrugs huh? i never bashed anyone. i've only discussed the show and the characters. is that not my personal insight, and have i not included back stories? i don't think i've said anything personal about any poster in this thread, esp since i don't know anyone personally, lol. i also have not said anything any different than what you and everyone else has said here regarding y&r. i think it's a bit unfair that when i do add my piece, i am accused of getting up in arms. anyway, you are free to have any opinion, and just b/c we may disagree does not mean i am trying to force you to change stances. i thought we were just sharing our views and memories of the show. Edited By: franknbeans82 08/02/2009 12:06 AM. Edited 4 times.
janabella		#347	[-]
Posts: 84 (08/02/2009 12:34 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	remember back in the day when phylis hit paul and christine with her car, leaving them both to die? or when she burnt down her friend sasha's apartment so sasha wouldn't reveal the paternity of daniel? or when she slept with that psychiatrist, dr. tim, so she could blackmail him? or when she followed paul and christine on their honeymoon so she could torment them? or when she helped brittany break up billy and mac (that's a small one compared to the others, i know)? i know she's changed, but that was some crazy shit she did back then! lol still, there's part of me that likes phylis - but only when she's with jack. she's more independent and fiesty with jack. she's all weepy and willowy with nick.
lilSS		#348	[-]
Posts: 12090 (08/02/2009 3:31 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	I agree. Phyllis has done some horrendous things so I definitely dont understand the Sharon hate when it comes to her just being silly, she isnt malicious like Phyllis has been and she certainly hasnt tried to hurt anyone on purpose unlike Phyllis. Phyllis just wants what she wants and doesnt care who she has to step on to get it whereas Sharon is just an idiot, which is why all the guys love her. However, this whole pandering and catering to Nick thing that Phyllis has going on isnt becoming. She needs to be with Jack! Theyre perfect together.
RKKanhai		#349	[-]
Posts: 33883 (08/02/2009 12:44 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	dedaman03 wrote: ^Hurting someone accidentally or intentionally never really matters to the person who is getting hurt though. They don't care whether you did it intentionally or not, they're still going to be angry and hurt. What Sharon is doing by keeping the true paternity from Nick is no better than what Chloe did to Cane and Billy. Their both equally wrong and selfish, no matter what spin they put on it. It's like if two people go out and kill someone but one goes in with the intent to kill and the other kills the person by accident. Both those families are going to want revenge no matter how the killings went down. See, what makes me mad is that if Phyllis had done this she would have been raked through the coals, but since Sharon did it, it's an act of selflessness. I call bull, she may feel sorry for Summer, but what she is doing is going to destroy many lives which is what Phyllis is always being accused of doing. So I call a spade a spade. I don't see it as being 2 spades. Phyllis lied about Daniel's paternity. She lied to Daniel, she lied to Danny. She wanted Danny. She did it in order to trap Danny and keep him from Chris, she didn't care about anyone. Not even her own baby, all that mattered was holding and trapping Danny. If she had to kill people for that, so be it. She wants what she wants and she doesn't care about anyone who stands in her way. Sharon lied about her baby's paternity. She lied to Jack, she lied to Nick. But Sharon loves and wants Nick, him being the father of her child is what she wanted and being a family again with him and their new daughter is what would make her happy. But she lied in order to let Nick be there for Phyllis and his other child, she selflesslly gave up her wants and her happiness for the sake of Summer and for the sake of Nick not having that guilt of walking away from a hurt Summer and Phyllis. Like he walked away from Sharon&Noah after Cassie's death. This weeks Soap Opera Digest has an interview with them, and they say this whole re-wedding thing with Phyllis is because Nick feels guilty over Cassie still. That's why he's recommitting himself, he's trying to fix the wrongs he did with Sharon but with Phyllis. Problem is he still loves and wants Sharon more.
PlaySka4me		#350	[-]
Posts: 20611 (08/03/2009 5:55 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	^^ ITA with all you said. Don't get me wrong, I don't think what Sharon did to Jack was right (even after all he's done) but it hardly goes up next to what Phyllis pulled for years over Daniel's paternity. I think Sharon should have told Nick it was Jack's baby and then told Jack just to play along (since, as she pointed out to him, he did say that he wanted to be a part of the baby's life no matter what) but told him the truth. I think he would have gone along with it. Actually, I think Sharon should have fucking told Nick it was his damn baby to begin with, but whatever
dedaman03		#351	[-]
Posts: 6312 (08/03/2009 11:00 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	PlaySka4me wrote: ^^ ITA with all you said. Don't get me wrong, I don't think what Sharon did to Jack was right (even after all he's done) but it hardly goes up next to what Phyllis pulled for years over Daniel's paternity. I think Sharon should have told Nick it was Jack's baby and then told Jack just to play along (since, as she pointed out to him, he did say that he wanted to be a part of the baby's life no matter what) but told him the truth. I think he would have gone along with it. Actually, I think Sharon should have fucking told Nick it was his damn baby to begin with, but whatever IKR?! I know what you're saying, but I just get tired of Sharon always playing the victim. Own up to your shit girl, you are a grown ass woman. I know Phyllis has done some fucked up shit, but at least she is like, "Yeah bitch, I did it, and what?!!" Not going to argue she is off her rocker cause we all know that, but she is still my girl. Edited By: dedaman03 08/04/2009 12:23 PM. Edited 1 times.
lilSS		#352	[-]
Posts: 12098 (08/04/2009 12:35 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	That is what I do love about Phyllis, she is gangsta!
lilSS		#353	[-]
Posts: 12099 (08/04/2009 12:41 AM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Ummm...how did Mary Jane just happen to have some drugs that will knock out a full grown man? The writing is so painful right now.
dedaman03		#354	[-]
Posts: 6316 (08/04/2009 12:28 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Jill is nuts, she needs to get off her high horse and face the facts: Bitch you iz a HOE!
BellaK84		#355	[-]
Posts: 67 (08/04/2009 1:20 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	lilSS wrote: That is what I do love about Phyllis, she is gangsta! I second that. And why are the stylists exposing Sharon's fake bump while doing a great job of hiding Ashley's? She keeps wearing these tight clothing that makes it hard to believe she's expecting. While I felt the Phlick scene was believable yesterday, it was also slightly awkward. IDK why. LOVED Billy boy taking it to the fence with VN. I hope Abby's not in on the brainwashing. That would be effed up. And what was the whole "I don't want to talk to you about Ashley" exchange? Nikki needs to stop making herself so available to a man that's not into her. Poor Paul. And yes, I was all WTF at MJ's drugging of Jack myself. He must have been hit hard to mistake her for Sharon.
franknbeans82		#356	[-]
Posts: 31705 (08/04/2009 1:55 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	dedaman03 wrote: PlaySka4me wrote: ^^ ITA with all you said. Don't get me wrong, I don't think what Sharon did to Jack was right (even after all he's done) but it hardly goes up next to what Phyllis pulled for years over Daniel's paternity. I think Sharon should have told Nick it was Jack's baby and then told Jack just to play along (since, as she pointed out to him, he did say that he wanted to be a part of the baby's life no matter what) but told him the truth. I think he would have gone along with it. Actually, I think Sharon should have fucking told Nick it was his damn baby to begin with, but whatever IKR?! I know what you're saying, but I just get tired of Sharon always playing the victim. Own up to your shit girl, you are a grown ass woman. I know Phyllis has done some fucked up shit, but at least she is like, "Yeah bitch, I did it, and what?!!" Not going to argue she is off her rocker cause we all know that, but she is still my girl. i can sort of see what you mean about sharon, but at the same time, i'm not one to applaud phyllis for doing shitty stuff and being proud of it. rather, i don't think owning it makes it ok. anyway, this sharon/phyllis/nick/baby storyline reminds me a lot of the stupid doublestandards they had with the chloe/lily/cane/baby storyline. sharon doesn't want nick to be w/ her just for the sake of the baby, yet she pushed him to be w/ phyllis just for the sake of summer. lily did that same stupid shit w/ not wanting cane to marry just b/c she thought she was pregnant, but then she turned around and told him he had to marry chloe just b/c she was pregnant. i really hate the lameass, uncreative ways the writers create drama b/c half the time it's not even logical and is an insult to viewers intelligence.
franknbeans82		#357	[-]
Posts: 31706 (08/04/2009 1:55 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	lilSS wrote: The writing is so painful right now. seriously!
RKKanhai		#358	[-]
Posts: 33917 (08/04/2009 2:09 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	dedaman03 wrote: PlaySka4me wrote: ^^ ITA with all you said. Don't get me wrong, I don't think what Sharon did to Jack was right (even after all he's done) but it hardly goes up next to what Phyllis pulled for years over Daniel's paternity. I think Sharon should have told Nick it was Jack's baby and then told Jack just to play along (since, as she pointed out to him, he did say that he wanted to be a part of the baby's life no matter what) but told him the truth. I think he would have gone along with it. Actually, I think Sharon should have fucking told Nick it was his damn baby to begin with, but whatever IKR?! I know what you're saying, but I just get tired of Sharon always playing the victim. Own up to your shit girl, you are a grown ass woman. I know Phyllis has done some fucked up shit, but at least she is like, "Yeah bitch, I did it, and what?!!" When has she done that? She has never paid for running over Paul&Chris. She blackmailed Brad over him sleeping with Sharon, then when Brad got her arrested for it. She denied it all, she served jail time for doing it after she got caught. That same blackmail and Phyllis is what caused Dru to go over the cliff and die. Phyllis never took any responsibility for that either. She cut up all Sharon's clothes and called the cops on her to get her arrested and lied to everyones face about doing it, she got arrested only when the security footage came out. She got off of that too because it was Sharon whoe dropped the charges against her. Phyllis does these things then lies and pretends she didn't.
franknbeans82		#359	[-]
Posts: 31712 (08/04/2009 3:10 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Spoiler [+] idk if this happens today or tomorrow, depending on where you live, but apparently maryjane will poison zapato. rip newman family pet, heh. i guess they plan on eventually killing her off b/c there is no redemption from hurting children and killing animals.
RKKanhai		#360	[-]
Posts: 33920 (08/04/2009 4:02 PM) Reply Quote More Recent Posts	Yup that happened today in Canada.

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