It's a disaster waiting to happen. And I've heard doctors saying the exact same thing.
Pelosi/House of Reps. passes Health Care Reform bill
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Posts: 111599 (11/08/2009 12:13 AM) Justin Fanatic '05
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 Umbrella Ella Ella |
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Posts: 350 (11/08/2009 12:14 AM) |
Hp GaL04 wrote: Honey, with your "medical past" - no insurance company from here to Guam would cover you. |
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LuvBug |
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Posts: 7170 (11/08/2009 12:15 AM) |
Will they exclude pre-existing conditions? I've been rejected by 4 insurance companies because I have depression and anxiety.
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DoesThatSparkle |
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Posts: 6228 (11/08/2009 12:16 AM) |
Lilpeach85 wrote:Surprisingly, I've heard a lot more Canadian doctors speaking out against socialized health care. They see that it's slowly failing in their country and are no more vocal about it. There's not A LOT speaking out against, but it is definitely on the rise year after year. Universally speaking, "socialized" health care, or whatever you want to call it, doesn't work (for the simple fact that you cannot increase services, while at the same time decrease prices/costs). Canadian and UK systems are actually slowly turning to private agencies to provide services that they cannot. And it's only going to get worse. Things like that don't get better....they always decline. |
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Firefox Goddess |
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Posts: 3325 (11/08/2009 12:18 AM) |
Once Obama signs this bill into law, we, as Americans, loose more rights than ever. It's sad to say, but the House, Senate, and Obama have created the
death sentence for the US.
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franknbeans82 |
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Posts: 33373 (11/08/2009 12:19 AM) |
Umbrella Ella Ella wrote:damn |
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ugh rabies |
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Posts: 1389 (11/08/2009 12:19 AM) |
Firefox Goddess wrote: 
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brokenhalo11 |
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Posts: 14024 (11/08/2009 12:19 AM) |
Firefox Goddess wrote: ? |
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SwanGeese |
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Posts: 6529 (11/08/2009 12:20 AM) |
Not a perfect bill, but I'm glad that it passed. Bad shit in the bill can always be amended or stripped out later on. I'd prefer single payer, but the
reforms in this bill will make health care better regardless.
Hopefully we'll be able to ram this thing through the Senate (and fuck Lieberman gently with a rusty chainsaw in the process). And thank you Mr. Cao for voting for it. Glad to see that I can be proud of a politician in Louisiana. |
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Hp GaL04 |
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Posts: 40309 (11/08/2009 12:20 AM) Most Dramatic '07 |
Umbrella Ella Ella wrote: 
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franknbeans82 |
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Posts: 33374 (11/08/2009 12:20 AM) |
Firefox Goddess wrote: lol, as if things were going so well prior to obama becoming president. everytime i see people saying shit like this, i wonder if they were the least bit upset while bush was making an absolute mess of this country. |
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the lakes slave |
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Posts: 64566 (11/08/2009 12:25 AM) |
LuvBug wrote:Yep, the bill outlaws that. 
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SwanGeese |
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Posts: 6530 (11/08/2009 12:25 AM) |
DoesThatSparkle wrote: Single payer systems are cheaper and more efficient than private systems. I'd take Canada's or the UK's system anyday over America's failed system. At least I won't go bankrupt if I am unfortunate enough to get cancer. I also wouldn't have to worry about health care if I lose my job or have
pre-existing and/or expensive conditions.
In America, your life is only worth as much as your bank account. If you can't pay, then your only options are to beg or slowly die.
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Posts: 2406 (11/08/2009 12:26 AM) |
franknbeans82 wrote: Yeah, it really isn't fair to say that Obama has caused all these problems or hasn't fixed anything when he took on a nation that was in pretty bad shape. Sure he can't do everything and he's said all along that it'll be a process and I find him to be more open about everything than Bush ever was. I always felt like Bush was just up there smiling and saying everything was fine and really just willing us into a state of delusion. But this is not to say that Bush caused all of our problems either, Clinton did he fair share of damage all of those years ago as well. It really has been building and building and now it's coming to a head and Obama is (unfairly) getting the blame and brunt of it all. |
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DoesThatSparkle |
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Posts: 6229 (11/08/2009 12:27 AM) |
franknbeans82 wrote:Disclaimer: I am in no way for Bush or a supporter of his. And I always laugh at comments like this. Yes, Bush did a lot of negative things to this country. But a country cannot be in the shape that it is in after only 8 years (in the grand scheme of things, 8 years isn't that long). It takes YEARS to get to a point like this. All of the problems we see now are due to lots of presidential errors, starting with Carter. I mean, I really wish people would open a history book or take an economics class or something lol...because Bush is just a part of this mess, it is not all because of him like people keep harping on.
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Posts: 4115 (11/08/2009 12:27 AM) Grammar Cop '09
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the lakes slave wrote:I got rejected by one company right after I lost a lot of weight BECAUSE I lost a lot of weight. "Sorry, no, you used to be fat so no insurance for you." |
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the lakes slave |
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Posts: 64567 (11/08/2009 12:27 AM) |
Universally speaking, "socialized" health care, or whatever you want to call it, doesn't work (for the simple fact that you cannot increase services, while at the same time decrease prices/costs). Many countries with socialized medicine allow you to privately pay for any procedures you want. It's an OPTION. However, if you can't afford that, you're still going to get healthcare. Whereas right now millions of Americans only have the option of paying the bill instead of buying food, or dying. |
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DoesThatSparkle |
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Posts: 6230 (11/08/2009 12:30 AM) |
SwanGeese wrote:Yes, for NOW Canada's system is ok. But it is not going to be in 50-100+ years. Like I said, universally speaking, socialized health care programs don't succeed for a reason. And the reason is simple: you cannot increase services while decreasing prices/costs. If their system, along with the UK's was so great, then they wouldn't be turning to the private sector (aka, what the US has) to provide for services they (the government) cannot. I am by no means saying that what we have now in the US is good and/or working. But a single payer system has only proven to fail in many places, and is starting to (slowly) fail in a lot of places like Canada and the UK. |
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Posts: 14828 (11/08/2009 12:31 AM) |
LuvBug wrote:Yeah, it's not a good idea to tell your insurance company you have these problems. 
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LuvBug |
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Posts: 7171 (11/08/2009 12:31 AM) |
the lakes slave wrote:My current college doens't have clinic so I'm without meds and not doing well. 
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