We have a kid that is currently failing 4 of his 5 classes. And not just by a little, but with a 30%. This is after a modified scale, modified assignments,
modified expectations, one less class replaced with a resource hour, someone checking his backpack for assignments, emailing mom and dad, and meetings with the
principal.
Do you think a SPED kid should fail?
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 MommaTLake |
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Posts: 1750 (11/10/2009 10:58 PM) |
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Anticipation19 |
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Posts: 17305 (11/10/2009 11:00 PM) |
Well, you just answered your own question. What are the reasons for him NOT to fail?
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RedLampDistrict |
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Posts: 11355 (11/10/2009 11:01 PM) |
Do you mean
does he deserve to fail after all of that help? or should he be capable of failing after all that help? |
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MommaTLake |
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Posts: 1751 (11/10/2009 11:04 PM) |
Don't get me wrong; we don't want a kid to fail. But, after all of that, is there any reason why they shouldn't be able to meet minimum
expectations? He gets 40% on modified spelling tests after two weeks with 10 words.
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Dsupastar |
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Posts: 1310 (11/10/2009 11:05 PM) |
no. i realize that several approaches have been attempted to assist this child's learning but something isn't clicking. has anyone asked the child what
ways he would learn best in? accommodations are not always useful if the accommodations do not pertain to the child's needs. unfortunately, accommodations
are not always consistent with the actual needs of the child.
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Posts: 18037 (11/10/2009 11:06 PM) |
Has anyone looked into whether he's just not doing the work or if he actually is trying?
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FunSized |
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Posts: 2862 (11/10/2009 11:08 PM) |
Dsupastar wrote:Exactly. |
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MommaTLake |
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Posts: 1752 (11/10/2009 11:13 PM) |
He started a homework contract today because he hasn't done homework since October 26th or so. When we review his vocabulary (and I make it a game to
appeal to his lower emotional IQ), many times he has no idea the word was one he was supposed to be studying. So, yes, we know he doesn't do homework
unless I get on mom's back and take away his recess and threaten minors and detention. Then, it gets done...to the level we expect from him and we accept
that. We said, well, maybe he doesn't get homework and just does classwork. That would be fine with all involved if he did anything in class.
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Posts: 32560 (11/10/2009 11:18 PM) |
I don't think they should fail. In this situation. From what I've read it seems like the child isn't getting the resources or help he needs to
succeed even to his potential level.
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elites renee |
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Posts: 23155 (11/10/2009 11:20 PM) |
So he isn't putting in any effort? I think he should fail in this case.
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Posts: 853 (11/10/2009 11:20 PM) |
Every case is different and I don't know this kid's classifications. Obviously they are mainstreamed so someone feels they have the capability to
succeed. .
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Posts: 5704 (11/10/2009 11:23 PM) |
If the kid is really trying....no. If he isn't putting in any effort, yes.
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Posts: 27841 (11/10/2009 11:26 PM)
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I don't know. But I'd be interested to know *why* he isn't putting in effort if that's the problem, and not an actual lack of ability. What is
his emotional state like?
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MommaTLake |
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Posts: 1754 (11/10/2009 11:29 PM) |
The mainstreaming was parent's choice. He's at the school so he won't get bullied or picked on in a public school. Therefore my thought is that the parents need to pick up that slack knowing full well what he needed and taking him from a place that provided it. Or at least get him to do something! There is one resource teacher for grades 3-8 (about 30 students with IEP or 504's) A quote I heard at an inservice sticks with me in this situation, "you should not be working harder than the student." Frustrations arise because he CAN do what we ask with our modifications. Example: once a week write a reflection about the gospel you heard at mass and discussed all week in class. His expectation: write at least 3 sentences and/or a prayer. Does he do that? Nope. |
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Posts: 19443 (11/10/2009 11:32 PM) Most Mysterious '08 |
the point of academics is the retention of learning and knowledge. if he isn't retaining what is instructed, how are you able, in good conscience, to pass
him towards a next step of failure?
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Posts: 20251 (11/10/2009 11:36 PM) |
It sounds like one last arrangement needs to be made, like a serious sit down with the Principal and his parents, so they can understand what's at risk and
what he is not doing and what he could be doing but doesn't. :/
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Dsupastar |
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Posts: 1311 (11/10/2009 11:37 PM) |
i come from an autism background, specifically in education. many of the strategies we use for ASD children can be useful for other children as well (with or
without a diagnosis). for example, have you heard of an Independent Activity Schedule?
http://www.woodbinehouse.com/excerpt.asp_Q_product_id_E_0-933149-93-X |
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proudhebrew23 |
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Posts: 27842 (11/10/2009 11:39 PM)
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Are you sure that he can do what you ask of him? Like, I'm assuming that means he's done it before but has chosen not to for the majority of the time.
Like someone else said, something is obviously not clicking with him--whether it's the academic situation or his entire psychological situation, or both. It sounds like he's definitely needy for all sorts of support. |
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MommaTLake |
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Posts: 1755 (11/10/2009 11:42 PM) |
Maybe that's why it's a tough situation: he doesn't retain anything. Everyone else had to compare and contrast the Quakers and Puritans in
history. He just had to write any 5 things he learned from the chapter and could use notes and the book. It was left empty.
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Dsupastar |
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Posts: 1312 (11/10/2009 11:46 PM) |
wait, are you sure he even knows how to read and write? an expectation such as writing 5 things you can learn from a chapter can be very intimidating for
students who cannot read and write. so instead of admitting it, they simply avoid tasks involving reading and writing. this can be where the problem is and you
may have to start with basics. maybe it's not that he doesn't want to do the work but perhaps he can't?
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Posts: 96 (11/10/2009 11:50 PM) |
when was his last IQ/achievement testing done and what did he score??
He had an aid in his old school, but our school does not provide that. He is at about a 3rd grade level in a 7th grade class, but parents wouldn't hold him back again. They denied math resource because he would miss his specials. It also sounds like the parents aren't working with the teachers/school staff either. 
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